SenseUPnP and gapless profiles for Qobuz albums

[guardajoias]

Hi. I use SenseUPnP to send music by UPnP for headphones. I have two possible headphones amps, a Yamaha AV receiver, and an Oppo UDP 205. The latter is better but I run into problems with its UPnP implementation. For both devices, getting gapless playback for Qobuz albums is difficult (no problems with local music). I found that the Devialet Phantom profile does give me gapless playback on both devices through SenseUPnP, but with the Oppo, very often the playback becomes uncontrollable: I cannot stop the music (but I can change the track), it sometimes stops on its own, and the progress bar seems to go back to zero after 10 seconds although the music continues to play.

Does anyone know of a profile for the Oppo UDP 205 that would be reliable and provide gapless playback? how can I add a profile? Is it through the LMS interface of the Innuos server? There are device by device settings in the UPnP plugin, but I am fearful of changing them and mess with the SenseUPnP...

Thanks.

 

[Stephen Healy]

The profiles that are listed are ones that we add ourselves - these are largely the result of beta participation and a lot of remote sessions etc, as basically every UPnP device out there has its own configuration and needs a lot of testing. UPnP is a lot less universal than you would think and extremely hard to unify (hence why LMS and Roon ultimately aimed to bypass it completely).
In update 3.1 i think we will be changing the underlying software used for the SenseUPnP feature so that may help

 

[guardajoias]

3.1 is definitely shaping up to be a major update let’s see after that then…

 

[Stephen Healy]

3.1 is definitely shaping up to be a major update let’s see after that then…

I may have misspoken and it could be in 3.2 it comes! But yes 3.1 still has a lot of nice elements to it.

 

[NVitorino]

Hi. I use SenseUPnP to send music by UPnP for headphones. I have two possible headphones amps, a Yamaha AV receiver, and an Oppo UDP 205. The latter is better but I run into problems with its UPnP implementation. For both devices, getting gapless playback for Qobuz albums is difficult (no problems with local music). I found that the Devialet Phantom profile does give me gapless playback on both devices through SenseUPnP, but with the Oppo, very often the playback becomes uncontrollable: I cannot stop the music (but I can change the track), it sometimes stops on its own, and the progress bar seems to go back to zero after 10 seconds although the music continues to play.

Does anyone know of a profile for the Oppo UDP 205 that would be reliable and provide gapless playback? how can I add a profile? Is it through the LMS interface of the Innuos server? There are device by device settings in the UPnP plugin, but I am fearful of changing them and mess with the SenseUPnP...

Thanks.

Hi,

Indeed 3.2 will have a revamped SenseUPnP experience which we also hope it's more stable and compatible with multiple devices. The issue you have is fairly common. We do have a configuration around this that should resolve your problem. I'll have a word with the team to publish a profile (this can be done without the need for a software update) and once it's done we'll let you know so you can try it out.

Nuno

 

[guardajoias]

Hi,

Indeed 3.2 will have a revamped SenseUPnP experience which we also hope it's more stable and compatible with multiple devices. The issue you have is fairly common. We do have a configuration around this that should resolve your problem. I'll have a word with the team to publish a profile (this can be done without the need for a software update) and once it's done we'll let you know so you can try it out.

Nuno

Thank you. This would be great!

 

[Stephen Healy]

Thank you. This would be great!

The profile is now live, so please reboot your Innuos system and allow a minute or so, then you can check for new UPnP profiles. There should now be one for the Oppo 205.

 

[guardajoias]

The profile is now live, so please reboot your Innuos system and allow a minute or so, then you can check for new UPnP profiles. There should now be one for the Oppo 205.

Thanks very much. I am traveling these days so I will test it as soon as I get back!

 

[guardajoias]

I confirm that the Oppo 205 profile works: gapless for local music as well as for Qobuz tracks, and no more unreliability in playing tracks. This is great! Thank you.

 

[guardajoias]

I confirm that the Oppo 205 profile works: gapless for local music as well as for Qobuz tracks, and no more unreliability in playing tracks. This is great! Thank you.

Well, with one exception, however : radio stations do not play with this profile. (They play fine with default or Devialet Phantom profiles). It is much more important that I can finally play Qobuz albums gapless but if you can fix the radio stations playing in this profile it would be perfect.

 

[Stephen Healy]

Well, with one exception, however : radio stations do not play with this profile. (They play fine with default or Devialet Phantom profiles). It is much more important that I can finally play Qobuz albums gapless but if you can fix the radio stations playing in this profile it would be perfect.

We found an easy fix for this - if you reboot your system it should now work properly with radio.

 

[guardajoias]

We found an easy fix for this - if you reboot your system it should now work properly with radio.

That's a fix like I like them Thanks!

 

[guardajoias]

I am very nostalgic of the previous UPnP implementation and its Oppo 205 profile. Anyway this can be incorporated into the new UPnP implementation? I know the Oppo 205 is a small market now, but this profile worked so well... Just using the same parameters without reinventing the wheel?

 

[Stephen Healy]

I am very nostalgic of the previous UPnP implementation and its Oppo 205 profile. Anyway this can be incorporated into the new UPnP implementation? I know the Oppo 205 is a small market now, but this profile worked so well... Just using the same parameters without reinventing the wheel?

I'm afraid it's unlikely, we need to be realistic with how much we can really achieve with SenseUPnP. Besides the one-size-fits-all compatibility mode, the focus will be to try and get stable configurations in place for Naim and Linn, and this is proving a big enough challenge as it is.
The reality is that Sense multiroom is built around Squeeze and not UPnP, despite our best efforts. If these third-party streamers were to add Squeeze support (which is simple and inexpensive, i might add!) then you would immediately have native players compatible with Sense, and it would work infinitely better than any UPnP customisation we can make.

 

[guardajoias]

I'm afraid it's unlikely, we need to be realistic with how much we can really achieve with SenseUPnP. Besides the one-size-fits-all compatibility mode, the focus will be to try and get stable configurations in place for Naim and Linn, and this is proving a big enough challenge as it is.
The reality is that Sense multiroom is built around Squeeze and not UPnP, despite our best efforts. If these third-party streamers were to add Squeeze support (which is simple and inexpensive, i might add!) then you would immediately have native players compatible with Sense, and it would work infinitely better than any UPnP customisation we can make.

Understood. I will try a Raspberry Pi with picoplayer as squeezelite client to the Zenith to feed the Oppo through USB. Hopefully this will allow me to use the Oppo for headphones without the problems of UPnP and without adding too much additional electric noise in the circuit. I wish the Oppo had direct squeeze support indeed. Too late for that one, but this does raise the question: why indeed so few streamer have squeeze support (simple and inexpensive as you say) while they have UPnP, Roon, and other standards that have so many issues?