Hi. At first I though it might be related to the Qobuz re-sync issue, but it now seems to be an independent issue: When I add Qobuz albums to the library, they appear in searches by Album or by Album Artist but they no longer appear (for newly added albums, no sure from what date) if I do a search on the composer. This is systematic. So my searches by composer are giving increasingly irrelevant results as they do not show albums that come from Qobuz although they were added in my library. This is a major breakdown in the functionality of the integrated library. I hope this can be fixed including for those albums that did not get properly indexed... Thanks.
Composers no longer indexed in the library for Qobuz albums
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I relayed your comment to the QA team. Apologies in advance in case we have misunderstood, but i will copy their response below directly for fear of miscommunicating something in translation - hopefully this explains:
If an album is added, it won’t appear in the composer list (albums are related to the artist).
for ex:
I added this album
If I search for this album under the composer (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart), it won’t appear.
If a track is added, the user will see the album (tracks are associated with the composer).
for ex:
If an album is added, it won’t appear in the composer list (albums are related to the artist).
for ex:
I added this album
If I search for this album under the composer (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart), it won’t appear.
If a track is added, the user will see the album (tracks are associated with the composer).
for ex:
Hi guardajoias, i have checked with the development team and unless we misunderstand, there were never Album results based on searching for a Composer, because the Composer information is only saved on a track level, not an entire album. It could be that in your past experiences that by coincidence the Composer was exactly the same as the Artist (a tag that does get applied on an album level), whether it be a local file or a streaming service. Therefore based on what you describe, this would be expected behaviour.
Sorry, I should have been clearer: I do a search on a composer, then select that composer and Sense shows albums where that composer "Appears on". This is not perfect, but it works. Fortunately there is a way to get albums with music of a given composer: all other music apps do it (see example of Apple Music attached) and Sense would be useless for classical music without it. The problem is that recently added Qobuz albums are not added to this list. you can see in the attached screenshot that there are local and Qobuz albums listed, but those were added some time ago. More recent ones do not show up.... The Steffani Stabat Mater is showing in new music, but not under Steffani as artist/composer although he is listed in the track credits...
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Ah okay, thank you for the extra information, that certainly clarifies things and I understand what you mean. Let me check this with the dev team.
I relayed your comment to the QA team. Apologies in advance in case we have misunderstood, but i will copy their response below directly for fear of miscommunicating something in translation - hopefully this explains:
If an album is added, it won’t appear in the composer list (albums are related to the artist).
for ex:
I added this album
If I search for this album under the composer (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart), it won’t appear.
If a track is added, the user will see the album (tracks are associated with the composer).
for ex:
If an album is added, it won’t appear in the composer list (albums are related to the artist).
for ex:
I added this album
If I search for this album under the composer (Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart), it won’t appear.
If a track is added, the user will see the album (tracks are associated with the composer).
for ex:
Thank you Stephen for this clarification. I now understand there is an underlying weakness of the Qobuz search engine. This means however that Qobuz albums that are in my unified library are treated differently than local albums. For local albums, fortunately, as long as one track on the album is from the searched composer, the album will show up (including for example the Mozart piano concertos album used above). LMS 9 does the same and actually highlights the tracks of the composer. (iPeng shows the Album also but only the relevant tracks. I prefer the Sense or LMS 9 approach).
Is there a way for Sense to show the Qobuz albums that are in my library when at least a track is of that composer, in the same way that it does for local albums? Otherwise, my searches are only meaningful for local albums and I could have plenty of (Qobuz) albums in the library that I will never see because I browse or search by composer...
This is all the more problematic because on an artist search or browsing, Sense only shows Albums, not tracks... So Qobuz albums that are in my library are totally ignored in searches or browsing on a composer.
I will raise the search issue with Qobuz in parallel... it is true that I noted in the past that in many cases, when I was looking for a composer or a work, I had to search for it on Apple Music to find out the title of the Album and then search for that Album in Sense or Qobuz... I just assumed their search engine was not as good as Apple Music's...
Is there a way for Sense to show the Qobuz albums that are in my library when at least a track is of that composer, in the same way that it does for local albums? Otherwise, my searches are only meaningful for local albums and I could have plenty of (Qobuz) albums in the library that I will never see because I browse or search by composer...
This is all the more problematic because on an artist search or browsing, Sense only shows Albums, not tracks... So Qobuz albums that are in my library are totally ignored in searches or browsing on a composer.
I will raise the search issue with Qobuz in parallel... it is true that I noted in the past that in many cases, when I was looking for a composer or a work, I had to search for it on Apple Music to find out the title of the Album and then search for that Album in Sense or Qobuz... I just assumed their search engine was not as good as Apple Music's...
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Hi Stephen,
I am coming back to this issue because although there is an underlying Qobuz weakness, and I posted about it on their forum, there is still an issue at Sense level: When I do a global search on a Composer or track, the tracks do not show up in "My Library". For example with the Album "Modern Bridges" by Tetrapod Ensemble that I added to my library from Qobuz, a global search will show results in Albums and Playlists, but a search for the track "Off Pist Suite" by Svante Henryson will only show the Playlists in which it is, and a search on the Composer name (in the gobal search) will not show anything in the My Library results. It will only show Qobuz track results (with no indication that these tracks are also in my library).
If Sense can show me the relevant playlists, why cannot it show the relevant tracks and even better the relevant albums?
I am coming back to this issue because although there is an underlying Qobuz weakness, and I posted about it on their forum, there is still an issue at Sense level: When I do a global search on a Composer or track, the tracks do not show up in "My Library". For example with the Album "Modern Bridges" by Tetrapod Ensemble that I added to my library from Qobuz, a global search will show results in Albums and Playlists, but a search for the track "Off Pist Suite" by Svante Henryson will only show the Playlists in which it is, and a search on the Composer name (in the gobal search) will not show anything in the My Library results. It will only show Qobuz track results (with no indication that these tracks are also in my library).
If Sense can show me the relevant playlists, why cannot it show the relevant tracks and even better the relevant albums?
If I understand correctly, the issue is still that when you add a saved Qobuz Album into Sense, you are not in fact entering those individual tracks into your library. This is a problem because the Composer information is attached to the track, not the album.
The reason you do get results with relevant playlists is because the motion of putting a track into a playlist does in effect 'add' the track independently into your library database and pulls in metadata differently than adding a whole album. From what i can tell, this is a Qobuz mechanism rather than a Sense one.
I'm not sure if there is a very practical work around this besides saving or favouriting all of those tracks that you might want which is, of course, fairly implausible.
There should be an indication if a track is already in your library or not, because if it is not then you will have the box containing the + symbol, and if it is in your library then you would instead have the 'heart' icon to favourite it:
The reason you do get results with relevant playlists is because the motion of putting a track into a playlist does in effect 'add' the track independently into your library database and pulls in metadata differently than adding a whole album. From what i can tell, this is a Qobuz mechanism rather than a Sense one.
I'm not sure if there is a very practical work around this besides saving or favouriting all of those tracks that you might want which is, of course, fairly implausible.
There should be an indication if a track is already in your library or not, because if it is not then you will have the box containing the + symbol, and if it is in your library then you would instead have the 'heart' icon to favourite it:
Well, we are progressing in understanding the root of the problem. Indeed, it is not just an issue with searching on a composer, but actually any information about the track, including the track name. So When I search for "Off Pist", it does not show up in my library if it is a Qobuz album, but only if it is in a local album. It shows as a track (not album) in Qobuz results, but next to the track it will still be a box with a + because the track has not been directly added: only by selecting Go to Album do I then see a heart by the Album name.
So yes, some of it is at Qobuz level, but it seems to me that the ultimate issue is in Sense: when adding a Qobuz album, the tracks are ignored at metadata level, unlike for local albums. Not sure what Qobuz can do if Sense will ignore track metadata for Qobuz added albums. I hope you can read the track metadata for Qobuz imports, the same way you do it for local albums, so that global search results (and Composer searches) will show results for the relevant tracks and from there Albums.
As it is, Qobuz albums are invisible in searches except for metadata at Album level... No song name, no composer, ...
So yes, some of it is at Qobuz level, but it seems to me that the ultimate issue is in Sense: when adding a Qobuz album, the tracks are ignored at metadata level, unlike for local albums. Not sure what Qobuz can do if Sense will ignore track metadata for Qobuz added albums. I hope you can read the track metadata for Qobuz imports, the same way you do it for local albums, so that global search results (and Composer searches) will show results for the relevant tracks and from there Albums.
As it is, Qobuz albums are invisible in searches except for metadata at Album level... No song name, no composer, ...
If using the native Qobuz app itself, does it behave with the search results in the way you desire as described above with composers and so on? I'm just checking what parity there is between the native app and Sense.
Actually yes in the sense that it will list the Album Moder Bridges Tetrapod Ensemble on a search by Album on Svante Henryson. So it does link the composer on the track to the Album name. It cannot be completely compared however as the issue with Sense is finding Qobuz albums that are in my library and the difference between treatment of local and Qonuz albums…
Hi Stephen. Any progress on this problem? The non-indexation of Qobuz tracks when adding albums to the Library means a growing part of my library is invisible in searches. For example, looking for versions of Monterverdi’s Combatimento to Tancredi e Clorinda, I did a search on « Tancredi ». Local tracks are found, but Qobuz tracks are ignored. Qobuz integration and global search are two major achievements of Sense, but this problem limits their usefulness.
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Another consequence of the integration at album level only is that when in the music library, the list of albums includes all albums, whether local, or on Qobuz (or on the NAS), but the list of tracks is only of local ones plus the few Qobuz tracks that may be added into Sense on their own or through a playlist. So not only searching, but also browsing by track ignores Qobuz… Is there any way that when adding a Qobuz album, the tracks can be added to the database in the same way they are when adding a local album?
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