SenseUPnP: Feedback Thread

[Stephen Healy]

Hi everyone,

After the Sense 3.2 update, there has been a lot feedback regarding the SenseUPnP overhaul which is scattered across a lot of separate forum posts as well as support emails.

This thread is designed to centralise all of this feedback onto a single post, where we can look at specific UPnP models and systems and try to analyse these one by one.

We therefore invite you to post/comment here with the following information:
- Innuos model and OS version
- UPnP streamer you are streaming to
- The configurations that you have tested in the 'Configure Streamer'
- The behaviours/problems you have noticed with playback control and consistency. Please be as detailed as possible.

We also ask that before posting your finding here, please ensure you have tried at least once to use SenseUPnP with 'Compatibility Mode' engaged and with the Maximum Resolution support set to 44100 to test for differences in stability.

If you have further comments and observations about system and testing, please go back and EDIT your original post to add information, rather than adding further additional comments to the thread - this will make it much easier for our development team to keep track of when reading through this thread.

Thank you!

 

[malfordlad]

- Zen mk3 at Sense 3.2.1.
- Streaming to Naim NAC-n 272
- streamed with compatibility off, support DSD off, and display track data off, max sample rate 192000
- My issue is when streaming from Qobuz, I play an album, but at the end of each track the same track plays over again. Pressing next starts the same track playing again.

Continuing ...
Sorry @michaelb that problem was my own because I had engaged the repeat track button without noticing. With Qobuz, and display track data on for my UPNP streamer (a Naim NACn272) I see attempts to play a track for four seconds, a restart and infinite repeats of this sequence. When I turn display track data to off in the Sense UPNP streamer configuration, the problem is solved, the tracks play well.

 

[Timberwolf]

Hi everyone,

After the Sense 3.2 update, there has been a lot feedback regarding the SenseUPnP overhaul which is scattered across a lot of separate forum posts as well as support emails.

This thread is designed to centralise all of this feedback onto a single post, where we can look at specific UPnP models and systems and try to analyse these one by one.

We therefore invite you to post/comment here with the following information:
- Innuos model and OS version
- UPnP streamer you are streaming to
- The configurations that you have tested in the 'Configure Streamer'
- The behaviours/problems you have noticed with playback control and consistency. Please be as detailed as possible.

We also ask that before posting your finding here, please ensure you have tried at least once to use SenseUPnP with 'Compatibility Mode' engaged and with the Maximum Resolution support set to 44100 to test for differences in stability.

If you have further comments and observations about system and testing, please go back and EDIT your original post to add information, rather than adding further additional comments to the thread - this will make it much easier for our development team to keep track of when reading through this thread.

Thank you!

Unable to Play Podcasts

Innuos Zen Mini Mk3 Sense 3.2.1 Innuos Standalone mode
Streaming to Naim ND5XS2 and Muso Gen 1 via ethernet only (Innuos DAC not used)
Compatibility Mode - no other Configurations are possible except max sample rate of 192 for Naim streamers, it appears.

Unable to play any Podcasts to either streamer - for example BBC Radio 3 Record Review Build a Library. It worked correctly prior to Sense 3.2 using the specific Naim UPnP profiles. When I select a Podcast it appears on the screen ready to play, but pressing PLAY has no affect. The time counter does not move and the PLAY icon changes back to PAUSE.

It appears that the new UPnP engine Compatibiliy Mode does not work for Podcasts.

I do not have problems playing music from the Zen internal storage or via Qobuz, or playing live radio streams.

 

[Lentus Audio]

- ZEN Mini Mk3 at Sense 3.2.1.
- Streaming via UPnP to HQPlayer on Linux X86_64 and Linux ARM 64-bits
- HQPlayers stream via NAA to Zenith Mk3 (connected to Weiss DAC204 via USB) and Khadas VIM3-L (connected to Denafrips Terminator via USB)
- streamed with compatibility On and Off , support DSD off, and display track data off, max sample rate 384000 and 768000
- HQPlayer logfile errors bad/corrupted frame header
- I setup a Lyrion Music Server (LMS) with open-source squeeze2upnp (Philippe) to produce the same error editing the upnp_config.xml file
- I can reproduce the errors in LMS, which are shown in the HQPlayer Daemon logfile, by changing <stream_length>0</stream_length> to <stream_length>-3</stream_length>. So with <stream_length>0</stream_length> no errors at all!

I checked the HTTP Mode settings in LMS squeeze2upnp Philippe and this are the values:
- Chunked <stream_length>-3</stream_length>
- If known <stream_length>-2</stream_length>
- No length <stream_length>-1</stream_length>
- Estimate <stream_length>0</stream_length>
- Fixed <stream_length>4294959103</stream_length>

My advice is to add the HTTP mode option in the Sense App/GUI so you can choose the "right" mode for your UPnP streamer ;-)

 

[jaharr03]

Hi - I've been using sense 3.2.1 and the new UPNP integration and I have some feedback/issues that I've been running across. First, some details:

- Zen Mini MK3 with linear power supply.
-Streaming to an Auralic Aries G1.1
- I've tried both compatibility mode and advanced settings.

I can't get anything to play via UPNP to the streamer if I try the advanced settings and am NOT in copatibility mode. This is unfortunate given my streamer supports DSD as well but I don't think I can take full advantage of that in compatibility mode.

Even in compatibility mode I'm having several issues:

For starters, album and track information does not appear to show on my Auralic screen.

Secondly, and more impactful than the above. Is that playback seems inconsistent. Sometimes music will play to the Auralic just fine. Other times I will try and play a track and it seems to be playing on the innuos app based on the track timing going up, however nothing is rendering on the Auralic. Other times a song will be playing and spontaneously restart or skip to the next track when I haven’t given any inputs to do so. Sometimes after having the music paused for a period of time, a song will Suddenly resume out of nowhere.

Thanks,

John

 

[michaelb]

Sorry @michaelb that problem was my own because I had engaged the repeat track button without noticing. With Qobuz, and display track data on for my UPNP streamer (a Naim NACn272) I see attempts to play a track for four seconds, a restart and infinite repeats of this sequence. When I turn display track data to off in the Sense UPNP streamer configuration, the problem is solved, the tracks play well.

Many thanks for that tip! I have turned off compatibility mode and have both display track data and DSD support off for the time being and the random pauses have gone, including with local files. Have you got DSD support on?

@Timberwolf can confirm that Podcasts aren't streaming to either of my Naim streamers either. The situation is exactly the same as you described.

Statement NG on 3.2.1
UPnP streamers set to compatibility mode off and DSD support off with max sample rate set to 192,000
Streaming by UPnP to Naim ND555 and Atom HE

 

[DanCollier]

Hey guys,

So I have a Uniti Atom HE at home for testing and can report my findings with SenseUPnP so far with the ZENmini MK3 on 3.2.1. The Uniti HE is connected to the streamer port of the ZENmini which is connected direct to my router.

I've settled on the below settings

Compatibility mode - OFF
Support DSD - On
Display track data - On
Max sample rate - 384khz

So far, all appears to be working fine so far. I've just tested DSD playback with the great Love Kraft // Super Furry Animals album locally stored on the ZENmini with no issues. The Uniti HE displays the track info before defaulting to the album art screen. To clarify, it does not display artwork, rather the Naim defaults to a generic Icon in place of artwork.

 

[Timberwolf]

Hey guys,

So I have a Uniti Atom HE at home for testing and can report my findings with SenseUPnP so far with the ZENmini MK3 on 3.2.1. The Uniti HE is connected to the streamer port of the ZENmini which is connected direct to my router.

I've settled on the below settings

Compatibility mode - OFF
Support DSD - On
Display track data - On
Max sample rate - 384khz

So far, all appears to be working fine so far. I've just tested DSD playback with the great Love Kraft // Super Furry Animals album locally stored on the ZENmini with no issues. The Uniti HE displays the track info before defaulting to the album art screen. To clarify, it does not display artwork, rather the Naim defaults to a generic Icon in place of artwork.

Hi Dan, are you able to play any PODCASTS to your Naim HE in your configuration? It does not work for Naim ND5XS2

 

[Eric.Dassen]

Hello, newbie here.

-Zen Mini MK3
-Sense 3.2.1
- Streaming to a Cambridge Audio Edge NQ that have a screen.

I've settled on the below settings

Compatibility mode - Off
Support DSD - Off
Display track data - On
Max sample rate - 193khz
-It works fine, plays music no problem, however it don’t show the album art work.

 

[malfordlad]

Many thanks for that tip! I have turned off compatibility mode and have both display track data and DSD support off for the time being and the random pauses have gone, including with local files. Have you got DSD support on?

@Timberwolf can confirm that Podcasts aren't streaming to either of my Naim streamers either. The situation is exactly the same as you described.

Statement NG on 3.2.1
UPnP streamers set to compatibility mode off and DSD support off with max sample rate set to 192,000
Streaming by UPnP to Naim ND555 and Atom HE

Hi @michaelb I have DSD off. I have a few files locally that are DSD64 so I will give it a try tomorrow with DSD on.

 

[jackst]

Zenith Mk.3 Music Server
Zenith Mk.3
innuOS 3.2.1
Standalone mode

192.168.0.31 - Sonos One - RINCON_48A6B8D8E70001400
192.168.0.10 - Sonos Play:5 - RINCON_5CAAFDFF180401400
192.168.0.81 - Sonos Play:5
192.168.0.90 - Sonos Play:1 - RINCON_B8E937BD10B801400
192.168.0.14 - Sonos Play:1 - RINCON_000E58CAE45601400

compatibility mode on/off
sonos integrations on/off

up to 9 second delay when starting a stream from Qobuz
up to 9 second delay when streaming from local SSD files
internet raido will not play to the UPnP sonos speakers

​

 

[guardajoias]

Zenith Mk3
Sense 3.2.1

- On my Yamaha AVR (A3070), it works well in compatibility mode, but a few quirks in track management: it does not like it when I advance the cursor (gets confused and then may refuse to stop or pause) and when I pause, resume goes back to the beginning of the track. Without compatibility mode, gapless does not work for Qobuz streaming and the display is limited to "streaming from LMS", no track info anymore.
- On my Oppo 205, it is unusable: in compatibility mode it loses connection after a few seconds, and/or plays random tracks. Without compatibility mode, it still is very erratic with a tendency to lose the connection. Stop/pause may not work. When it works, it is not gapless whether for local tracks or Qobuz. So also hardly usable. In 3.1, it worked better withe the profile that you had developed on the basis of the Devialet Phantom (had some issues, but much better than now). I hope you can restore functionality for the Oppo 205...

 

[michaelb]

Thanks for that @DanCollier Those settings working fine here for WAV and FLAC and getting artwork fine from local storage but not Qobuz.

@malfordlad DSD plays fine but only up to DSD 128. I only tried one 256 track and the Statement just kept cycling through the first few steps of the progress bar and then restarting. Couldn't be paused or stopped either. Had to play something else to move on. Tried that twice....

Cheers

Mike

Statement NG
Naim ND555 and Atom HE streamers
Compatibility mode - OFF
Support DSD - On
Display track data - On
Max sample rate - 384khz

 

[malfordlad]

Hi @michaelb, I have an album of DSF files recorded at DSD64 and these do not stream to the NACn272 when the configure streamer setting is DSD support on. The first track is tried for five seconds and then restarts ad-infinitum. This could be a feature of the Naim 1st gen streamer architecture just as easily as it might be a Sense issue. However, set DSD support to off and the album plays OK. I presume that a format conversion on the Innuos Zen kicks in.

This status also requires the display track data on streamer display is set to off. Turning that setting to on and playback failed.