Phoenix USB Clocker - Audio Science Review

[SchiitMjolnir2]

And @frank7036...
It is incredibly rude to open a thread on InnuOs own forum,.and accuse InnuOs of manufacturing "Snake Oil" products.

If you behave like that,.well then at least I am a man that stand up and confronts that kind of nonsense...
And also @SchiitMjolnir2 .

BUT,.now Stebbo seems to have disappeared, so we can return to the topic of the thread, to seriously exchange experiences regarding InnuO's Phoenix USB reclocker .

THEN,.I have a question for you frank7036.
You wrote earlier that you probably wouldn't buy an InnuOs Phoenix USB reclocker today,.even though you had one earlier.

Is it because you think it's too expensive, or that you thought the increase in sound quality was too small.?

I concur. I couldn't stand by and finally made an account after seeing that nonsense. Anyways, I think the Phoenix doesn't really add any color to the sound, but rather just increase the sense of rhythmic drive to the sound. The biggest difference would be swapping the streamers say a Pulse vs Pulsar which is a very noticeable difference just 1 second after you hit play while the Phoenix just increases the rhythmic drive (or dynamic range) up a little bit just like how a good digital system is supposed to sound like. Also, as good as the Phoenix USB is, you do still need to find that synergy in both USB cables and power cords as well to really dial things up to your palette

 

[Digger]

Unfortunately there are too many people out there who are so committed to measurements and test results that it precludes anything else from being possible. I am a firm believer in that if I can hear a difference even if science says I should not then something must be right. I've no technical knowledge so cannot explain why.
Over the years I have tried various things including fuses, isolation things, power cables, mains conditioners etc some make a difference other's do not. These are my findings through listening. If someone else believes they hear no difference but I do (or visa versa) so be it but as the point was raised, one has to listen first.
For example when I first used supertweeters some 25 years ago the main belief was they could not make a difference as the human ear could not hear them. I immediately heard a difference. Others at the time could not. Strange how supertweeters are now accepted as improving sound with very few who deny it.
The major issue I have found with some things that testing says does not work but listening says it does is the price being asked makes it less palatable and gives the negative views substance "£200 for a fuse" I hear some shouting. And I agree. An extortionate price, that even it works, I for one could not justify but for those who can justify it I applaud them.

 

[ErVikingo]

True story follows, I participate on ASR and have learned a lot there (have also been the recipient of hate there), I also own a ZENith Mk3 which I love.

Had another ASR follower over to listen to music.

I have various DACS; one i bought based on ASR's stellar review and another one they totally trash.
I also have 2 streamers, my Innuos and another one ASR hails as one of if not the best.

Using the same source (Qobuz) same preamp, amps, speakers and cable brands and types (except for the streamer to DAC cable where the other streamer does not have usb out) I swapped dacs and my friend preferred my "bad dac"; same with the Innuos v the other streamer, he picked the Innuos every time.

Side anecdote, we swapped my tube amps for some very high rated (ASR) Class D monoblocks he owns. He confessed to preferring my tubes. So, we took my tubs to his house; he preferred them to his class D wonder amp.

My take, specs about SINAD only tell part of the story. Choose what sounds best TO YOU.

I own a very powerful supercar, the usual discussion at car meets "my XYZS has more HP than your car, look at the specs and dyno sheet). Then you take them for a drive..... Peak HP or the shape of a torque curve only tell part of the story.

Its a hobby, why cant we get along?

 

[ErVikingo]

there is a long thread there about audiophiles coming into ASR which is actually pretty good reading (be patient) but starts with an interesting statement:

It is a bit of a jolt when you are confronted by the reality that you can't trust your own ears. But once you really accept it, it does kinda set you free. You can ignore a lot of BS and focus on what actually makes a difference.

In my case, what matters is what i hear, what i enjoy. Brand or measurement notwithstanding

As I've said, I have learned quite a bit there, have sent some old equipment to be measured and have used the measurements of different equipment as a guideline (same I do with for example Stereophile).

 

[sombre23]

I initiated this discussion to gather insights regarding the review of the ASR Phoenix USB Reclocker.
I apologize if the conversation has become somewhat chaotic.
My firm belief in the performance of my Innuos Zen NG stems from my experiences with various streamers over the past few years.
I would love to see a comprehensive performance review from Golden Sound on the Phoenix USB Reclocker or Zen NG.

 

[ErVikingo]

I initiated this discussion to gather insights regarding the review of the ASR Phoenix USB Reclocker.
I apologize if the conversation has become somewhat chaotic.
My firm belief in the performance of my Innuos Zen NG stems from my experiences with various streamers over the past few years.
I would love to see a comprehensive performance review from Golden Sound on the Phoenix USB Reclocker or Zen NG.

I have not seen an update to that page in some time.

I suggest you write to them: golden@goldensound.audio