Statement NG vs Phoenix USB-reclocker

[Peder]

Statement NG has a USB-reclocker installed internally,.USB-lite if I understand correctly.

How is the quality level of the above, compared to the external Phoenix USB reclocker in terms of delivered sound quality.
I think the internal USB-lite is powered by a better power supply, that might make it as good as the external one, or even better.

Would there be any advantage in terms of sound quality,.to connect the external Phoenix USB-reclocker to a Statement NG..??

AND,.is it even possible..??

@Stephen Healy
@DanCollier

 

[Octaviars]

The Statement have the same USB re-clocker board as the PhoenixUSB not the "lite" version.

 

[Peder]

The Statement have the same USB re-clocker board as the PhoenixUSB not the "lite" version.

Hi ...
Thanks for that confirmation,.then I conclude that it will NOT be better with an external Phoenix USB-reclocker.

 

[Stephen Healy]

As @Octaviars says, the USB section in the STATEMENT would not be classed as 'Lite' which was applied more to the PULSAR upon launch.
We've had a few reports that adding the PhoenixUSB to a STATEMENT Next-Gen can take it a little bit further, but it's very slight. You would get much more improvement from a PhoenixNET instead, for example, assuming there is not already one in the system.

 

[Peder]

As @Octaviars says, the USB section in the STATEMENT would not be classed as 'Lite' which was applied more to the PULSAR upon launch.
We've had a few reports that adding the PhoenixUSB to a STATEMENT Next-Gen can take it a little bit further, but it's very slight. You would get much more improvement from a PhoenixNET instead, for example, assuming there is not already one in the system.

Thanks @Stephen Healy...
A few more questions.

My Innuos journey has gone from a Zen mk3 in January 2024,.to a Zenith mk3 in July 2024.
And an InnuOs Phoenix USB reclocker in July 2024...

And now,.a Statement NG from 2023.
My first question:
Do the short cables between the streamer and power supply have no marked direction indication.?

Asking,.because I have never experienced a cable that does not have a "best direction".

My second question:
The feet in the picture,.on the streamer and the powersupply.
Are these the current feet that are used today.?
Asking,.because there are different feet on each device.
And the feet that sit under the power supply are the same as those under my Zen and Zenith mk3.

/Peder

 

[Stephen Healy]

Thanks @Stephen Healy...
A few more questions.

My Innuos journey has gone from a Zen mk3 in January 2024,.to a Zenith mk3 in July 2024.
And an InnuOs Phoenix USB reclocker in July 2024...

And now,.a Statement NG from 2023.
My first question:
Do the short cables between the streamer and power supply have no marked direction indication.?

Asking,.because I have never experienced a cable that does not have a "best direction".

My second question:
The feet in the picture,.on the streamer and the powersupply.
Are these the current feet that are used today.?
Asking,.because there are different feet on each device.
And the feet that sit under the power supply are the same as those under my Zen and Zenith mk3.

/Peder

Hi Peder, there is no direction on the power cables no - the only indicators are the arrows on the plugs to help guide pin-alignment when inserting.

Yes, those feet are the same as used today. You will notice on the server unit those feet have a bit more 'sping' to them and are asymmetric to reflect a similar asymmetric layout of the internal components, placing isolation under each vital stage.
On the power supply however, its a symmetrical design so the feet are as such, and the sheer weight of the requires more rigid feet. The vibration control is instead handled internally using the Panzerhold AVC on the ARC6 capacitor banks.

 

[Peder]

Hi Peder, there is no direction on the power cables no - the only indicators are the arrows on the plugs to help guide pin-alignment when inserting.

Yes, those feet are the same as used today. You will notice on the server unit those feet have a bit more 'sping' to them and are asymmetric to reflect a similar asymmetric layout of the internal components, placing isolation under each vital stage.
On the power supply however, its a symmetrical design so the feet are as such, and the sheer weight of the requires more rigid feet. The vibration control is instead handled internally using the Panzerhold AVC on the ARC6 capacitor banks.

Thanks again @Stephen Healy
I have a few more questions,.I'll take one at a time.

On both my Zen and Zenith mk3 which are always fully turned on,.you almost don't feel that they are hot if you put your hand on top.

BUT,.on my Statement NG which has no power supply internally in the streamer part itself...
It gets quite hot when it is turned on all the time.
Just want to check with you if this is normal,.as it should be.

The separate power supply itself is almost completely cold.

 

[Octaviars]

BUT,.on my Statement NG which has no power supply internally in the streamer part itself...
It gets quite hot when it is turned on all the time.
Just want to check with you if this is normal,.as it should be.

The DC regulatorboards are in the server box and they do get warm so that is normal. The PSU box only contains the transformer and two AC/DC rectifier boards and they will not produce much heat so that box is much cooler than the server box.

Lower PSU box with transformer and rectifierboards.




Server box with the regulatorboards on each side of the chassi as this is a linear regulation some heat will always be produced by the regulators steping down the DC voltage from the rectifierboards in the lower box to the voltages needed for the motherboard, CPU, USB re-clocker, 5vdc USB output, LAN clock, cd drive for example.

 

[Stephen Healy]

A couple of reasons for this; the STATEMENT has no ventilation at all unlike other models that has airflow escape, so the STATEMENT chassis has to function as the heatsink. There is no outlet for normal convection.
Also, the heat is generated by components that are consuming power rather than producing it - and on that front, the CPU is the most 'hungry'. And don't forget, the STATEMENT Next-Gen specifically has current booster so that the CPU receives power more quickly to reduce latency, so does run more hot by comparison.

 

[Stephen Healy]

And all great additional input from @Octaviars too

 

[Peder]

And all great additional input from @Octaviars too

..Impressively clear and concise answer.
I am an "Attention To Detail" guy who put great importance on installing and optimizing my music-systems...
Therefore,.I want to keep track of all the details.

Many thanks @Octaviars,.and @Stephen Healy.
I will return with the next question later,. wonderful forum this .