Statement NG discontinued but full upgrade to Nazaré to apply

[frank7036]

From the Stereophile review of the Nazaré…….
What happened to the Statement Next-Gen? It has been discontinued. Innuos has simplified its product line to three series of products: STREAM series, ZEN Next-Gen, and Nazaré. Anyone who bought a new Statement NG from an authorized Innuos dealer from September 2024 on is eligible to trade in the Statement and apply a credit for its full purchase price to the price of the Nazaré. The offer is good through March 2026.
It’s a lot of $$$ for a LOT of performance.

Stereophile

 

[Malc.]

Thanks Frank, very interesting content, the reviewer certainly was impressed.
Forgive me if I'm not up to date with what's been happening on the forum, has this information been communicated by Innuos to their customers ?
Obviously some important issues, e.g the discontinuation of the Statement NG and September 24 onwards trade in offer.

 

[frank7036]

Thanks Frank, very interesting content, the reviewer certainly was impressed.
Forgive me if I'm not up to date with what's been happening on the forum, has this information been communicated by Innuos to their customers ?
Obviously some important issues, e.g the discontinuation of the Statement NG and September 24 onwards trade in offer.

Hi Malc,
I haven’t seen anything yet official by Innuos which is why I thought it very interesting. I doubt that Stereophile would have published the information without confirming with Innuos though. This review was written weeks, possibly a month or so back so it seems it’s been on the radar for a while.

 

[Malc.]

Thanks Frank, I'm sure @Stephen Healy and/or @DanCollier will be along shortly to clarify.

 

[Peder]

Hi ...
The following was written a few days ago in an InnuOs Facebook group...
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As Malcolm said (and some reviews), Statement NG & ZENith NG are similar performance with Statement slightly ahead however ZENith NG is more configurable (I purchased the ZENith NG because I wanted in particular the i2s option and general configure ability). Innuos are considering Statement NG additions, this below is what Stephen Healy (Innuos) said on the Community board;

The STATEMENT remains current, but it is inevitable that it will be discontinued at some date or another. The heart of the question here is looking beyond to the scope of longevity for STATEMENT units, in terms of wanting newer generation benefits as well as an upgrade path without strictly having to change up to a much more substantial investment for an entirely new streamer/server, or trading-in/part-exchanging. At least, this is what i interpret from the previous comments.
As mentioned, gutting all the innards out for new internals is not possible, but potentially external units could help bridge this gap. So for example, a higher-end network switch that is better than the PhoenixNET and full width, and/or a a very high-performance output stage box which would address USB to I2S, ISL, and other protocols which has also been requested and give the modular output benefits of the newer models.
These devices could look uniform with a STATEMENT and offer improvements to sound. They would be entirely optional.
Combined with the fact we will still be servicing STATEMENT and continuing with software updates, is there a different dimension for upgradability to keep STATEMENTs relevant you would like?

 

[frank7036]

Hi ...
The following was written a few days ago in an InnuOs Facebook group...
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As Malcolm said (and some reviews), Statement NG & ZENith NG are similar performance with Statement slightly ahead however ZENith NG is more configurable (I purchased the ZENith NG because I wanted in particular the i2s option and general configure ability). Innuos are considering Statement NG additions, this below is what Stephen Healy (Innuos) said on the Community board;

The STATEMENT remains current, but it is inevitable that it will be discontinued at some date or another. The heart of the question here is looking beyond to the scope of longevity for STATEMENT units, in terms of wanting newer generation benefits as well as an upgrade path without strictly having to change up to a much more substantial investment for an entirely new streamer/server, or trading-in/part-exchanging. At least, this is what i interpret from the previous comments.
As mentioned, gutting all the innards out for new internals is not possible, but potentially external units could help bridge this gap. So for example, a higher-end network switch that is better than the PhoenixNET and full width, and/or a a very high-performance output stage box which would address USB to I2S, ISL, and other protocols which has also been requested and give the modular output benefits of the newer models.
These devices could look uniform with a STATEMENT and offer improvements to sound. They would be entirely optional.
Combined with the fact we will still be servicing STATEMENT and continuing with software updates, is there a different dimension for upgradability to keep STATEMENTs relevant you would like?

That looks like my post, but, it appears change is afoot.

 

[Peder]

That looks like my post, but, it appears change is afoot.

Hi ...
Part 1,.was written by Dan Collier to me.
Part 2,.was written by Stephen Healy to me.

In the screenshot below you can see that Statement NG is still listed on InnuOs website.
Not on the front page,.but under the heading...
"Music Streamers and Servers"
Click on the screenshot for full image.

Part 1:
Hi,
No, the Statement has not yet been discontinued. If and when this occurs we will post about it.
Stephen alludes to here:
Post in thread 'Mk3 & Next-Gen: what's the difference?' https://community.innuos.com/threads/mk3-next-gen-whats-the-difference.205/post-3533

The ZENith Next Gen does not sound better than a Statement Next Gen (but not far off) from my limited comparisons but does have upgrades over the Statement as you can see from their product pages, these specific improvements are not possible on Statement.

Part 2:
Hi Peder, our feedback on the two units is that they are so close in performance that it really comes down to a subtle difference in which tone you prefer. At Munich we did A/B comparisons constantly, and opinion was split quite evenly down the middle. The STATEMENT has a little more energy and fun, the ZENith Next-Gen perhaps a bit more hyper-accurate and ultra-transparent. So, it depends on what you prefer, but with the two units being so close in price and performance, it is not really necessary for them to co-exist. And as you can see, we are moving forward with a slightly more modular philosophy across the board to make the products a bit more 'uniform' with each other to have our latest design ideas.

 

[frank7036]

The statement’s @Peder references were made at the beginning of June , a lot can happen in a couple of months.

 

[Peder]

The statement’s @Peder references were made at the beginning of June , a lot can happen in a couple of months.

Hi @frank7036 ...

The two posts in my writing above,.from Dan Collier and Stephen Healy respectively, are from Monday, August 11th.
My response below to Stephen Healy is also from Monday, August 11th.

Hi Stephen...
Interesting what you write:
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The STATEMENT has a little more energy and fun
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Then I chose correctly,.those are some of the parameters I weigh in the musical presentation.

In addition,.my upcoming top-notch DAC will have USB in,so I am not dependent on other connectivity options.
I've had a pretty quick InnuOs journey.
In 18 months I've gone from Zen mk3, Zenith mk3, Phoenix USB-reclocker to Statement NG.

When you write that they are close in sound quality,.this is exciting, because the Statement NG can be lifted a little further in soundquality.

I have had my Statement NG stacked on top of each other,.and with the units separated on different shelves.
The latter is a little better.

In addition,.there is also a clear difference for the better with upgraded umbilical cables.
I chose Sean Jacobs umbilical cables after comparing them to Chords umbilical cables.
Sean Jacobs umbilical cables are clearly better,.many also write that on various forums that have compared them to each other.

That you at InnuOs choose to sell Chords umbilical cables instead of Sean Jacobs,.I understand, has more hifi-political motives than pure sound quality aspects .

Then Stephen,.the direction of the umbilical cables....
There is a slight difference in sound quality in the direction of your original umbilical cables.
The music comes a little closer to the listener.
The bass articulation,.and the musical emotional touch becomes more intimate...
If you know what I mean.
The music and the tones also linger a little longer (hard to describe as English is not my native language).
This above,.in the one better direction on InnuO's original umbilical cables.

I know that both you and Sean Jacobs write,.that there is no difference in sound quality on your umbilical cables.

This made me suspicious as I have tested and evaluated a lot,.even on a professional basis.
AND,.have yet to come across a cable that does not sound different in each direction, short or long,even ethernet cables.
The difference is not big,.but it is there,and if you have a well installed and optimized music system the difference is clear.

I evaluated the directionality of these original umbilical cables in a high-quality headphone-system, where I evaluated each cable separately, right and left channels.

In a typical two-channel system where room acoustics and other parameters come into play, it may be difficult for a less trained person to distinguish the directions.

Anyway,.it was very interesting to read what you wrote.
Stephen,.am I imagining now, or have I read that you wrote somewhere, that InnuOs may possibly come up with an external enhancement USB-module for Statement NG.?

 

[frank7036]

 

[frank7036]

Perhaps Stephen is cutting and pasting from his previous statements???
Anyway, I suspect Stereophile is correct and Statement NG is on its way out of the lineup , but will be supported for a good while yet

 

[Peder]

Perhaps Stephen is cutting and pasting from his previous statements???
Anyway, I suspect Stereophile is correct and Statement NG is on its way out of the lineup , but will be supported for a good while yet

Hi again ...

You have just above,.what both Dan Collier and Stephen Healy wrote to me personally,.on Monday, August 11th.

THAT,.is the most recent information regarding this.
THEN,.it is up to us to draw relevant conclusions from that information.

I know my English is not the best (is from Sweden),.it may have been difficult to understand what I wrote and informed about .

 

[Malc.]

The statement’s @Peder references were made at the beginning of June , a lot can happen in a couple of months.

My view would be the opposite, I would think new hifi product development timescales will extend well beyond weeks and months.

 

[frank7036]

My view would be the opposite, I would think new hifi product development timescales will extend well beyond weeks and months.

I agree with the product development timelines however I’m talking about the timing of when a public announcement is made, that can easily change within a short time. Innuos has previously run a few products that almost overlap and then quickly trimmed the range.

 

[frank7036]

Hi again ...

You have just above,.what both Dan Collier and Stephen Healy wrote to me personally,.on Monday, August 11th.

THAT,.is the most recent information regarding this.
THEN,.it is up to us to draw relevant conclusions from that information.

I know my English is not the best (is from Sweden),.it may have been difficult to understand what I wrote and informed about .

When Innuos publicly say the Statement NG comments in Stereophile are incorrect I will believe them, until then I’ll wait.

 

[Malc.]

I agree with the product development timelines however I’m talking about the timing of when a public announcement is made, that can easily change within a short time. Innuos has previously run a few products that almost overlap and then quickly trimmed the range.

The concern is that Innuos have not made any public announcement, either with regard to the Statement NG being discontinued or the trade in offer for Statements purchased from September 2024 onwards, this unsubstantiated information has come via an article in Stereophile.

 

[Peder]

When Innuos publicly say the Statement NG comments in Stereophile are incorrect I will believe them, until then I’ll wait.

Oh my god ,.you were a stubborn man.
In other words,.you don't trust what Stephen Healy and Dan Collier say.

TWO,.of InnuO's representatives,.
Stephen Healy and Dan Collier, who are responsible for bringing InnuO's information to us customers here on the forum.
WHO,.has previously given reported information on Aug 11.

This of course applies until further notice,.which could be at any time in the future.
THAT,.in other words, comes directly from the source..InnuO's.

 

[Esscee]

Unfortunately, there are not many models of manufacturers that exist without some form of component change/update. No doubt someone will promptly think of some just to prove my point wrong.
On the other hand some manufacturers discard models/units quite quickly even within a 3 year warranty period,
PS Audio and their Spring 2023 introduced DSD MK2 DAC for example - no more updates since Dec 2024 yet on model introduction they promised many years of firmware updates - now no longer produced.
That's progress for you.
Blue skies and sunny days to all.

 

[Stephen Healy]

The industry comes to a bit of standstill in August (vacation season), so it's best to sit tight for more news going into September...

 

[Malc.]

All will be revealed in the September issue of Stereophile